Talisman Red's NFL Computer Ratings
Welcome to 2025! This is my rough attempt at a computer rating that can, among other things, come somewhat close to predicting final game scores. Predictions for upcoming games are given below. To determine a hypothetical margin for any two teams, use the Points column (just subtract) and add in home field advantage (consistently about 2.5 points).
New in 2025: a slightly revised prediction formula that, I hope, will be slightly better. Let's see if it slightly works.
The Rating describes team performance based on games played to date. The BCS column describes a rating like the old college football system that only accounted for wins, losses, and strength of schedule. It's pretty meaningless in the NFL, but still a part of my output since I use this code in lots of places.
I wouldn't rely too much on early-season results, which are based almost entirely on last year's games and preseason games. Wait until 3-4 weeks into the season, at least.
Ratings last updated 12-Nov-2025 08:33 EST Rank Team W L T Rating Points BCS 1 Denver 8 2 0 3.30 58.10 1 2 LA Rams 7 2 0 3.08 58.48 2 3 Seattle 7 2 0 2.84 58.03 4 4 Indianapolis 8 2 0 2.64 58.09 6 5 Philadelphia 7 2 0 2.43 55.62 3 6 Houston 4 5 0 1.78 57.73 14 7 New England 8 2 0 1.78 52.75 5 8 Baltimore 4 5 0 1.75 56.29 11 9 LA Chargers 7 3 0 1.54 54.24 8 10 Detroit 7 2 0 1.25 54.11 12 Rank Team W L T Rating Points BCS 11 Chicago 6 3 0 1.21 51.17 7 12 Tampa Bay 6 3 0 0.96 51.58 10 13 Buffalo 6 3 0 0.76 51.75 13 14 Kansas City 5 4 0 0.63 52.86 16 15 San Francisco 6 4 0 0.50 49.06 9 16 Pittsburgh 5 4 0 0.10 48.97 15 17 Green Bay 4 4 1 -0.27 48.07 17 18 NY Giants 2 8 0 -0.35 51.33 23 19 Jacksonville 5 4 0 -0.47 48.70 18 20 Arizona 3 6 0 -0.48 49.97 20 Rank Team W L T Rating Points BCS 21 Minnesota 4 5 0 -0.96 46.94 19 22 Miami 3 7 0 -1.04 47.44 21 23 Cleveland 2 7 0 -1.17 46.73 22 24 Dallas 3 5 1 -1.43 47.28 25 25 NY Jets 2 7 0 -2.11 46.05 30 26 Cincinnati 3 6 0 -2.14 42.71 24 27 Carolina 5 5 0 -2.43 41.98 26 28 Washington 3 7 0 -2.44 43.07 27 29 New Orleans 2 8 0 -2.62 43.05 29 30 Las Vegas 2 7 0 -2.63 43.62 31 31 Tennessee 1 8 0 -2.79 42.09 28 32 Atlanta 3 6 0 -3.20 42.13 32
Teams are sorted by computer ranking (in parentheses), not necessarily by division record. Playoff games between division teams end up getting counted here, too.
NFL Computer Ratings (Last updated 12-Nov-2025 08:33 EST) --- AFC East CW CL W L Rating Rank Points NCWNCL Non-Conf Sched 1 New England 2 0 8 2 1.78 ( 7) 52.75 6 2 -1.72 ( 32) 2 Buffalo 2 2 6 3 0.76 ( 13) 51.75 4 1 -1.17 ( 30) 3 Miami 2 2 3 7 -1.04 ( 22) 47.44 1 5 -0.14 ( 19) 4 NY Jets 0 2 2 7 -2.11 ( 25) 46.05 2 5 -0.40 ( 23) --- AFC North CW CL W L Rating Rank Points NCWNCL Non-Conf Sched 1 Baltimore 1 0 4 5 1.75 ( 8) 56.29 3 5 0.84 ( 6) 2 Pittsburgh 1 1 5 4 0.10 ( 16) 48.97 4 3 0.78 ( 7) 3 Cleveland 0 3 2 7 -1.17 ( 23) 46.73 2 4 -0.23 ( 20) 4 Cincinnati 2 0 3 6 -2.14 ( 26) 42.71 1 6 0.28 ( 11) --- AFC South CW CL W L Rating Rank Points NCWNCL Non-Conf Sched 1 Indianapolis 2 0 8 2 2.64 ( 4) 58.09 6 2 0.08 ( 14) 2 Houston 2 1 4 5 1.78 ( 6) 57.73 2 4 2.07 ( 1) 3 Jacksonville 1 1 5 4 -0.47 ( 19) 48.70 4 3 -0.02 ( 16) 4 Tennessee 0 3 1 8 -2.79 ( 31) 42.09 1 5 1.10 ( 5) --- AFC West CW CL W L Rating Rank Points NCWNCL Non-Conf Sched 1 Denver 1 1 8 2 3.30 ( 1) 58.10 7 1 -0.25 ( 21) 2 LA Chargers 3 0 7 3 1.54 ( 9) 54.24 4 3 -0.69 ( 27) 3 Kansas City 1 1 5 4 0.63 ( 14) 52.86 4 3 0.42 ( 9) 4 Las Vegas 0 3 2 7 -2.63 ( 30) 43.62 2 4 -0.01 ( 15) --- NFC East CW CL W L Rating Rank Points NCWNCL Non-Conf Sched 1 Philadelphia 2 1 7 2 2.43 ( 5) 55.62 5 1 1.12 ( 4) 2 NY Giants 1 3 2 8 -0.35 ( 18) 51.33 1 5 0.76 ( 8) 3 Dallas 2 1 3 5 -1.43 ( 24) 47.28 1 4 -0.13 ( 18) 4 Washington 1 1 3 7 -2.44 ( 28) 43.07 2 6 0.17 ( 13) --- NFC North CW CL W L Rating Rank Points NCWNCL Non-Conf Sched 1 Detroit 2 1 7 2 1.25 ( 10) 54.11 5 1 -0.40 ( 22) 2 Chicago 0 2 6 3 1.21 ( 11) 51.17 6 1 -1.41 ( 31) 3 Green Bay 0 1 4 4 -0.27 ( 17) 48.07 4 3 -0.95 ( 28) 4 Minnesota 2 0 4 5 -0.96 ( 21) 46.94 2 5 -0.10 ( 17) --- NFC South CW CL W L Rating Rank Points NCWNCL Non-Conf Sched 1 Tampa Bay 2 0 6 3 0.96 ( 12) 51.58 4 3 1.21 ( 2) 2 Carolina 1 1 5 5 -2.43 ( 27) 41.98 4 4 -0.41 ( 24) 3 New Orleans 1 1 2 8 -2.62 ( 29) 43.05 1 7 1.17 ( 3) 4 Atlanta 0 2 3 6 -3.20 ( 32) 42.13 3 4 0.18 ( 12) --- NFC West CW CL W L Rating Rank Points NCWNCL Non-Conf Sched 1 LA Rams 1 1 7 2 3.08 ( 2) 58.48 6 1 0.39 ( 10) 2 Seattle 2 1 7 2 2.84 ( 3) 58.03 5 1 -0.45 ( 25) 3 San Francisco 3 1 6 4 0.50 ( 15) 49.06 3 3 -0.65 ( 26) 4 Arizona 0 3 3 6 -0.48 ( 20) 49.97 3 3 -1.15 ( 29)
The average computer rating of all teams in a division is shown here.
Rank Conference Mean Rating ---- ------------------------- ----------- 1 NFC West 1.48 2 AFC West 0.71 3 NFC North 0.31 4 AFC South 0.29 5 AFC East -0.16 6 AFC North -0.37 7 NFC East -0.45 8 NFC South -1.82
These predictions, where needed, already account for home advantage. Neutral site games (London, etc.) should be obvious, if I've programmed them correctly.
PREDICTIONS FOR UPCOMING GAMES Date Away Team Home Team Total Prediction ----------- -------------------- -------------------- ----- -------------- 13-Nov-2025 NY Jets New England 56.1 HOME by 9.38 16-Nov-2025 Miami Washington 47.3 Miam by -4.37 16-Nov-2025 Carolina Atlanta 47.5 HOME by 2.83 16-Nov-2025 Tampa Bay Buffalo 47.9 HOME by 2.86 16-Nov-2025 LA Chargers Jacksonville 48.1 AWAY by -2.86 16-Nov-2025 Chicago Minnesota 54.2 AWAY by -1.55 16-Nov-2025 Green Bay NY Giants 45.1 HOME by 5.94 16-Nov-2025 Cincinnati Pittsburgh 47.3 HOME by 8.94 16-Nov-2025 Houston Tennessee 34.9 AWAY by -12.96 16-Nov-2025 San Francisco Arizona 52.1 HOME by 3.60 16-Nov-2025 Seattle LA Rams 43.1 HOME by 3.12 16-Nov-2025 Baltimore Cleveland 30.4 AWAY by -6.89 16-Nov-2025 Kansas City Denver 38.4 HOME by 7.92 16-Nov-2025 Detroit Philadelphia 46.9 HOME by 4.19 17-Nov-2025 Dallas Las Vegas 53.1 AWAY by -0.98 20-Nov-2025 Buffalo Houston 40.1 HOME by 8.66 23-Nov-2025 NY Jets Baltimore 53.7 HOME by 12.93 23-Nov-2025 Pittsburgh Chicago 42.4 HOME by 4.88 23-Nov-2025 New England Cincinnati 64.9 AWAY by -7.35 23-Nov-2025 NY Giants Detroit 53.0 HOME by 5.46 23-Nov-2025 Minnesota Green Bay 28.7 HOME by 3.82 23-Nov-2025 Indianapolis Kansas City 51.3 AWAY by -2.55 23-Nov-2025 Seattle Tennessee 46.0 AWAY by -13.27 23-Nov-2025 Jacksonville Arizona 49.4 HOME by 3.95 23-Nov-2025 Cleveland Las Vegas 39.7 AWAY by -0.42 23-Nov-2025 Philadelphia Dallas 57.1 AWAY by -5.66 23-Nov-2025 Atlanta New Orleans 31.0 HOME by 3.60 23-Nov-2025 Tampa Bay LA Rams 37.3 HOME by 9.58 24-Nov-2025 Carolina San Francisco 44.9 HOME by 9.75 27-Nov-2025 Green Bay Detroit 50.8 HOME by 8.71 27-Nov-2025 Kansas City Dallas 52.0 AWAY by -2.90 27-Nov-2025 Cincinnati Baltimore 50.6 HOME by 16.26 28-Nov-2025 Chicago Philadelphia 57.5 HOME by 7.13
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What is this about?
Computer ratings are the starting point for Vegas oddsmakers, and have traditionally done reasonably well at predicting game winners. On this page, I share my own formula, which I've been producing for one sport or another for about 20 years. If you're familiar with ratings you've probably heard of the others: Sagarin, Massey, and more.
So it's just a math formula?
Yep, that's all that computer ratings are. You can do it this way, or you can do like they do for college sports and do a human "poll" (coaches, writers, whoever).
The formula here is one that I developed quite a few years ago to try and "compete" with all the other folks who are doing it. That's where the predictions come from -- incorporating historical games and trying to use those to figure out what will happen next. It includes scores, dates, and locations, but no other information. No information about injuries, pace or speed of the game, penalties, etc. Those things *do* matter, but they aren't factored in here.
Are the predictions any good?
Great question, and the answer depends on the sport:
- In the NFL in 2023-24, my system predicted 62.8% of game winners correct. By comparison, the ESPN FPI (yep, they run it for pro too) got 64.4%. That is a difference, over an entire season, of just four more games correct.
- In college football in 2023, 71.5% correct
- In college basketball in 2023-24, 70.4% correct
Although the system is comparable to other computer systems (FPI, Sagarin, and several others), the midweek/updated Vegas line predicted 66.3% of last year's NFL winners correctly. You just cannot beat a human touch!
Who are you, anyway?
I have a Ph.D. in Atmospheric Science from the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and am currently a faculty member at Indiana University in Bloomington. In addition to lots of teaching, I have research interests in the broad areas of thunderstorms and numerical weather prediction (forecasting using computers).
Contact me using this email form if you have questions or non-hateful comments.